@jonah What is this murderer's row of #privacy abusers on the "privacy news" section of the techlore site? And why use teespring to serve the merchandise area of the site, if it runs cloudflare, facebook, google, bing and other trackers? I appreciate what @thenewoil is doing on Mastodon, but all this is /frustrating as hell/.

@spoon @jonah won’t speak for Teespring but I also used to offer my podcast on YT, Spotify, and Apple. The goal is to reach people where they are and hopefully convince them to join us elsewhere. The people who most need to hear this stuff don’t use Funkwhale and RSS.

@thenewoil @jonah I have heard this argument before, and I see the point. I think maybe there's room for further nuance, though.

For example, could you include explicit statements disavowing the practices of some of the sites you are on---which include some of the worst of the worst for privacy? How else could someone privilege privacy-respecting sites over abusive ones in a clear way to viewers/visitors? Relatedly, what do you think about reaching people on Gab, or Parler?

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@spoon the alt-right is not our target demographic, so it hasn’t been considered.

@jonah I just meant to point to the limits of meeting-people-where-they-are.

If where-they-are is a place that abuses #privacy , then participating there without any disavowal of its abuses is normalization. The second part of @thenewoil 's comment is missing: "convincing [people] to join us elsewhere."

Paying for services that invade privacy in order to sell pro-privacy shirts, as techlore does by using Teespring, is worse than normalization. Is there really no plan to change all this?

@spoon @thenewoil it’s a false equivalence. Gab and Parler are terrible, and their users equally so. YouTube and Google are terrible, but their users are merely uninformed about data privacy issues — which is exactly the target demographic here.

Literally every aspect of Techlore is about privacy education and leading people towards making informed decisions about the websites they use online. I’m not sure how much more “convincing” we could be.

@jonah @thenewoil What is so wrong with acknowledging something wrong here? What harm would it do to make a statement on the site, and in the podcasts, to the effect that you condemn these practices, and prefer other platforms? And why not move off of Teespring? What does techlore gain by digging in its heels in public discussion with #privacy-concerned people like me?

@spoon @thenewoil I don’t believe in making mountains out of molehills. Like I said, literally every podcast/video/whatever is about making privacy-conscious decisions. If these platforms weren’t used we would be perpetuating a privacy echo-chamber rather than fostering privacy education.

I’ll ask Henry if he wants to add a warning to the site or something 🤷‍♂️

@spoon @jonah the Teespring one is especially tricky. I can say from personal experience that it's hard to find a privacy-respecting way to sell physical merch unless you plan to pre-buy merch like bands do, and then you've got BOXES of stuff sitting around your home taking up space and hoping it sells. There's no real good option there. If you know of one, please let me know.

@thenewoil @jonah First, in response to your other toot: I'm pulling for you in Texas! Many Texans I know are strong people, but this has been absolutely crazy.

As for Teespring: you can use Stripe, and scrub the cookie they set on your page. I agree this is not great (they set another cookie on their side), but it's miles ahead of what techlore is doing: Facebook, Google, Bing, Yieldify, Klaviyo are all tracking users (+sharing) on a page selling shirts that say things like "Got Privacy?"

@spoon @jonah I can bring this stuff up to Henry but honestly I'm not a Techlore employee or team member. I just help keep Surveillance Report consistent. That was my goal: Techlore has a huge audience and I have an interest in keeping people up to date on privacy/security current events. I saw an opportunity.

@thenewoil @jonah If I can be of any help, please let me know. I know I've been critical, but in the end I want outlets like them to succeed and thrive long-term.

If they do address this stuff, the experience might also be an interesting thing for them to write about/talk about more. I know I'd be interested, for sure.

@spoon @jonah Side note: I apologize for being slow to respond. I live in Texas. It's been a week for us.

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